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How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Last Updated: 22.06.2025 07:05

How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

Have you ever seen a woman having sex with a dog?

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

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You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

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ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

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ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

What thing happened to you as a child that you haven’t let go of to this day?

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

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The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

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ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Aperiam voluptatem sit qui.

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

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Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

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There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

NOW…

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Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

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Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

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One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

CONCLUSION:

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

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I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

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Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

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ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

I am like a fish out of water,

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Now here in this verse

then who is there to know what happens without?

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Kabir (a weaver)

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

Sain (a barber)

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas: